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UPDATE:
I found a store selling tablets, and already over the phone, I was served with info;

Now I've not come around to notice the name "Wacom" being mentioned by numerous artists, so it didn't come as a surprise when I was recommended a Wacom, a "Wacom Bamboo Fun" to be precise:  www.wacom-europe.com/index2.as…

Now another question is the size format of the tablet;
Either a small one, "DIN A6"-size I was told, for 99€ (~130$), or a medium sized one (DIN A5, which is like, half of DIN A4 I think), for 179€ ( ~230 $) :O_o: (wow, quite a difference) which I am a little less willing to pay
(no, I wouldn't go for the large one, DIN A4 - that'd cost 500€! :O)

My monitor is, uh, 15'', I think

And the tablet is supposed to have some sort of "zoom function" (whatever that means),
so I suppose the A6 small-sized version should be working out...

just for your convinience, I've taken measurements and made a size-reference sheet on paper: ultra-the-hedgehog.deviantart.…



uh... yeah. ^^;
I'm pretty convinced now that this should be a good choice, and think that A6 should work... I guess.

Well, what size is your tablet, compared to your computermonitor?




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I NEED A TABLET!


When I look at my flashmovies, and how far I've come since I first started up a flash 8 "18 day trial", around 5th of March 2006,
I can't fail to realize that I'm still incredibly slow at this.
The roger tribute movie took me 6 - 8 months of time I actually focussed working on it, though that was my 1 1/2 th flashmovie, and for that, the animation quality is good;
And actually, I still have 2 larger projects unfinished, some minutes already animated, asides from the 17> minute Sonic flashmovie I'm working on. (taking a break now, after animating of a 4,5 minute scene took about 2 months :O_o: )
But, it's been about 2,5 years now, and I actually have only one big flashmovie done, and even if I count the others as, say uh 1.3 + 0.4 + 0.3 = 2, that's still not much. :/
Plus, I'm also too slow at drawing on the computer, and I'm too lazy to color pencil sketches all the time with no means of CTRL+Z-ing mistakes ^^;

So I need a tablet, believe it! ;)

...buuut I don't actually know much about tablets... so... here's my requirements and stuff:


a) I don't actually need a stand-alone maschine that runs the drawing programs on its own or anything, I got a laptop for that...
I'm thinking of something that I can simply attach to my 1.6 GHz Laptop through USB2.0, and open up, say, flash 8, paint, or any other drawing program and start drawing. Does that work?

b) ...I guess I should SEE what I'm drawing, otherwise, it'll be pretty damn hard to use, so ... like, shouldn't a tablet have a screen? o_O? Or how does that work out if it doesn't?? :?

c) Uh... would be cool, not 100% necesary, but usefull, if I could change the line thickness or something (in flash 8, I mean. I heard this works for photoshop, so maybe in flash as well?) by just changing how I press the pen on the screen or something like that

d) hm, can you get a tablet cheaper if you're a student? ...
of Computer Science? ^^;

e) Should never break or crash or something... ^^;

I was thinking in dimensions of about 100€; (which is, according to google, about ...135.69 U.S. dollars nowadays).
I'd accept if I had to go up to 150€; ( = 203.54$ ), though, though less then that would of course be pretty nice.

I heard tablets exist for even around 50€ only, but I'm willing to pay a little more to get something decent.
If the 50€; versions however are reported to be decent, that's also a good choice. :D


Oh - and which size should I buy? (A4 / A5 / whatever/ ... something like that)
I heard it matters, for usability

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Sonic Unleashed - Wii vs 360 ?

hm - I happen to have a wii and a 360 as well.
And I need to decide which system to buy a game for.

The first screenshots of the Wii version kinda disappointed me o_O wii wii.gaming-universe.de/screeng… wii.gaming-universe.de/screeng… / 360 xbox360.gaming-universe.de/scr… xbox360.gaming-universe.de/scr…
I mean, the Xbox version looks so... uh... shiny! ^^;
and blurry! :iconohjoyplz:
( source xbox360.gaming-universe.de/new… )


I know I shouldn't bother with graphics...
but it looks so great! ^^;

Then again, the Wii version has two things the Xbox doesn't have.
a) Wiimote controls - which sporns the question if these are making it worth to buy THAT version. I think I read somewhere that the Weresonic parts on 360 should be less good, but better on Wii due to the controls
b) The homebrew channel's Ocarina-hack. What's that? well, basically an exploit that'll allow anyone to use 'action replay'-like codes (me thinks) on Wii games ( example: brawl www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHxpnB… ), without the need to change any technical stuff in the console - and you only need the Wii version of Zelda Twilight Princess, an SD-card, and some programs freely available on the internet for it. =P
...I just happen to not have the Wii version of Zelda Twilight Princess yet. ^^; (I 'only' have the Game Cube version)

Beyond knowing this exists, and having seen some videos and websites, I don't know anything about the scene behind it ...

but ... after some google research, I finally found this site:
www.usbgecko.com/codes/

Horray, seems they're not only hacking Smash bros. and Twilight Princess, so chances are, they might also hack Sonic Unleashed...
only question: will the codes be interesting? I'm not looking for "have all ..." / "inifinite health", but, like, even longer arms for weresonic? or "always play as weresonic"?
stuff like that.
hmmm...
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:iconkawaiisteffu:
KawaiiSteffu Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2008  Hobbyist Artist
tablet, want one, wish my memory on my computer had more SPACE and my webcam yet again has swapped LMAO
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UltraTheHedgetoaster Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2008  Hobbyist Artist
I recently bought an external harddrive with 232 Giga Byte (see my webcam) - the thing is so small, I can carry it with me :O
ANd it only costed 60€!
I could have also bought one with 160 GB for 45€,
or, for 79€, one with 300 or 320 odd so. :omg:

it's attached via USB 2.0

and the harddrive is pretty fast, first test I copied 10 Giga Byte of pointless data off the computer, and I think it took about 40 mins or 1 hour or so...

It doesn't actually get that hot, but I was told by someone in the store that I better shouldn't respect a certain maximum running time of 4 to 6 hours in one go...
perhaps doesn't matter that much, seeing how the thing really doesn't get that hot, and seems to cool down extremely fast once it isn't used.

there are even smaller ones, only about the size of a credit card, but those of course cost more, with less space.

So be on the lookout! External USB-harddrives with tons of GigaByte are pretty cheap nowadays 8D



And yes... that webcam, I've seen it before... SomethingAwfull, it was if I'm not mistaken.
But darn, if they ever'd make a Sonic movie with real human actors for the main cast, I'd better run. :fear:

Robotnik and the death star with a mustache look awesome though Xp

But hm, I've actually not really visited this site anymore since they wrote a rant on one of roger's animations -
For once he does offer to provide a fangame-project with an animated opening sequence, and then he gets that. :roll:

They discribed his style as a "Microsoft Paint animation" -_-;
Shows me how accustom I've grown to Roger's style (as I have kinda addapted it), I totally can't agree.

Well, it's not as much the fact they're ranting about roger, but rather that they're actually talking about something where I have background knowledge, and seems they don't seem to be sarcastic about the stuff they diss...
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KawaiiSteffu Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2008  Hobbyist Artist
I see, nice :nod:

Yea if they do make that into a movie...FUCK....no....otherwise its gonna end up like the Mario movie which was so bollocks that it was a box office bomb, so I guess making movies like these based on computer games just doesn't work
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BethanyBubbles Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2008  Student General Artist
I know what I am buying it for. I am freaking buying it for my ps3 cuz it feels loney... and I have a load of games on my wii already
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UltraTheHedgetoaster Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2008  Hobbyist Artist
aww...
*pets PS3*
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BethanyBubbles Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2008  Student General Artist
PS3: 8D Yay I'm loved
Me: XD
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megatoaster Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2008
i want a tablet, too. :(
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:iconultrathehedgetoaster:
UltraTheHedgetoaster Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2008  Hobbyist Artist
me too :(
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megatoaster Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2008
we both want one =(
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mizox Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2008
sorry if what I said about tablets was misleading, what I meant was that drawing it on paper first was easier sometimes because the bloody things generally don't have screens, and the only real differences in level design between the versions of Sonic Unleashed is that the daytime 3D sections are a bit wider to accommodate the motion controls, the wii version supports the Gamecube and Classic controllers in addition to the motion control, so that isn't a problem, and the graphics don't look THAT much worse do they? besides, graphics generally take a back seat to other, more important fields, which in your case would probably be using weird hacks (which I want to see, badly)

btw I find that photo of your laptop which you took halfway through replying to Ozi90 amusing
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:iconultrathehedgetoaster:
UltraTheHedgetoaster Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2008  Hobbyist Artist
yeah, it shows the comment being written, it's a paradox :noes:


I was actually convinced now to get the wii version, after seeing a new trailer of the Wii version, so yeah, the first screenshots had given me a negative bias, but now I'm oky with it.

Well, I'm simply too lazy to stand up from the computer and draw with a ... "penn-cil" or what you guys call it :p ;)
Also the CTRL+Z function is broken on that damn thing :X
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mizox Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2008
*looks closely at image* hey! there's me!

...

it looks pretty much the same anyway, and you get an extra control option, whether or not you use it is up to you

...

CTRL+Z is broken? you tried getting a new Eraser?
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UltraTheHedgetoaster Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2008  Hobbyist Artist
<smartass>
no, it's me, I have dark blue streaks, yours are red. =p
</smartass>

It's not just CTRL+Z, it's about making backup copies to go back in time... err... the backups, and revive parts of an old version,
to copy-paste, drag&drop, and to color more easily than on anything scanned.

and stuff.


AND STUFF IS STRONG! :0
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mizox Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2008
lol
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TimmiT9 Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2008
There are tablets with screens, but they go beyond €150,00.

As for the Wii version of Sonic Unleashed, the screens of the Wii version you found are scans. The graphics of the Wii version are actually pretty good IMO: [link]
Also, a video of the most recent version of the 360/PS3 version: [link]
I'm probably going to buy both versions, since the Wii version has different level design. (and it's done by DIMPS, which made the Advance/Rush games)
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UltraTheHedgetoaster Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2008  Hobbyist Artist
well, as long as the story /cutscenes remains the same, buying both versions is not necessary for me...

hm, I suppose only one of the linked images is a scan; the video you linked doesn't actually look bad, though it's filmed off :O_o:

so... it can only be better than that, right? :O
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TimmiT9 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2008
I think so, there's some more cam footage that's less dark: [link]
And i forgot to say that i'd buy both versions if the gameplay is good.
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UltraTheHedgetoaster Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2008  Hobbyist Artist
okay, thanks for finding that video, now I guess I'll buy the Wii version with no regrets :) :w00t:
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Orcbrother Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2008
Well for your flash delema perhaps it cant hurt to look into dot tech. They use it for the perfect Kirby series on newgrounds. (sorry no link right now). Umm unless you have the option to use the wii clasic contoler it might help to have the xbox version as I find that unless its a game that fits well into arm movements its frusterating to always swing your arm to attack and sometimes the controls are a little to loose.
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UltraTheHedgetoaster Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2008  Hobbyist Artist
Hm, I know the perfect kirby series -
I didn't know this dot tech thing was downloadable, didn't the creators of perfect kirby create that themselves? :o
probably costs money,

but asides from that, I haven't thought enough about how this 3D animation thing would help me, so I dunno...

thanks for the suggestion anyways :)

well, I'm not sure, it's more the "hacking" thing that has my attention on the Wii side... : /
ya know, I extraly bought Twilight Princess for Game Cube, even though I already had a Wii - because I knew exactly that there was gonna be tons of awesome Action Replay codes for it :D

...and it was worth it, see for yourself:... oh wait, you already have :O_o:
how comes I didn't receive that comment in my inbox ? :O

...no, still don't have it... glitchy dA! :shakefish:
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Orcbrother Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2008
Well I remember them offering dot tech on one of thier cartoons. I suggested it because I was thinking of trying it. Chances are it has some kind of flash program.

Now when it comes to the game definatly choose the Wii version. Your action replay is top notch. who knows what kind of fun cheating in that game will be.

I leaft a comment for both, I guess the inbox is a little slow these days also as ive had some problems with it also.
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Ozi90 Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2008
Dont buy tablet to make flash animation, I was think, if I buy this thing, making graphic for animation will be faster... um... and... I have tablet and I dont use it because, for flash mouse is better!
(lines, gradients, control timeline, ctrl+z, shapes).
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UltraTheHedgetoaster Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2008  Hobbyist Artist
hm
but I noticed how drawing with a pencil goes exponentially faster than drawing with a mouse - but neither can I just color the paper with one click, nor can I undo anything :(
so essentially I was hoping to combine the advantages of the two things :)

well maybe it's at least good for comics! and the movie's character models.

hm, can't you also use the tablet as a mouse for the menus, sorta? :?
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Ozi90 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2008
There is no problem to use tablet like a mouse, but how I say, for me making graphic in flash is easier and faster with mouse, maybe because I prefer to use lines not brush (when you draw with mouse you can start draw next line where previous end, with tablet its really hard!). Also I dont have to much place, so find good place for keyboard when you have this tablet on front of you its also hard.
But for raster graphic to tablet its much better then mouse. Thats my opinion after working with this thing, maybe you will dont have this problems. And sorry for bad english ^^; ... oh and what is it "sorta" ?
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UltraTheHedgetoaster Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2008  Hobbyist Artist
"sorta" means "kinda" which means ... eh... it's a figure of speech and means "or something like that", to express being uncertain or something like that ^^;

well, I mostly use the pencil tool... I assume that should be fine? :?
and this is what my working place looks like: [link]

plus, the table still has this 'expendable desk pad' thingy...
...nah, wait, I'm gonna shoot a better photo of it... [link]

what do you mean with "raster graphic"? :?
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Ozi90 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2008
If you have long left hand, I dont think you will be have any problems.

Raster graphic, I mean non-vector, like form ms paint and thanks for info about sorta ^^.
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mizox Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2008
interesting, how they change the character proportions too...

oh, and tablets don't have screens, you're supposed to draw it first, stick the drawing on the tablet, then trace it
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UltraTheHedgetoaster Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2008  Hobbyist Artist
eh, sorry for the little outburst, not ment against you or anything ^^;
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mizox Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2008
I know, I rant sometimes too
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UltraTheHedgetoaster Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2008  Hobbyist Artist
I found a youtube vid of someone who's doing it without tracing
[link]
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mizox Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2008
yeah, some people can draw even when they're not looking directly ath their pencil, I am not among them
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UltraTheHedgetoaster Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2008  Hobbyist Artist
what?! I'm supposed to draw with a pencil, then trace?! that's completely pointless :X
then I could as well scan the image, and trace that!
what the hell, why do so many people suggest tablets, then? :X


that doesn't make any sense! :X

...now, aren't there also tablets that have a screen? :?
I suppose you can you draw directly on those... but how do they capture my laptop screen...??
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mizox Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2008
I think there might be some, but most of them (at least, the ones I've seen) looked basically like mouse pads, I tried using one, but I couldn't really get it right, I think my opinion of them can be summed up pretty well by this movie by the Super Flash Bros: [link]
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Frobman Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2008   Filmographer
Believe it? You been watching Naruto?

I'm going with the Wii myself (if I decide to get it). It's less problematic that way (Since said 360 belongs to a brother that can be on your bad side majority of the time)
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UltraTheHedgetoaster Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2008  Hobbyist Artist
I see. Hm, well, I'm a "only child" (if that just even was the correct term, which I highly doubt... curse you dict.cc, curse youuuu ^^;)

and yeah, Naruto has finally returned to German TV, after like 10 months of absense or something :roll:

might be spoofed in the far off distant future;
especially since "making a Naruto movie" is something that Roger and Alex probably won't do, live action scenes taken aside.

Got a few jokes for it; flashbacks within flashbacks withing flashbacks of events that happend 5 minutes ago, and shadow clones disappearing within a matter of seconds after summoning, after only one hit...:roll:

I strongly remember you recently got a tablet, congrats if I didn't say anything yet, and
hm - I was quite confused about what mizox said about tablets,
"oh, and tablets don't have screens, you're supposed to draw it first, stick the drawing on the tablet, then trace it",
surely this must be some mistake;
I take it not all (or most, perhaps, I dunno) tablets don't have screens, okay,
and I already randomly read about the option of stuffing random paper-drawing inside a tablet for whatever purpose (dunno if all tablets have that), but this surely can't be necessary to do. :O
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Frobman Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2008   Filmographer
Only Child is the right term, yup!

Same here. And I think the Naruto Abridged Series made jokes about the number of flashbacks and filler.

Well, I got that tablet last year or so, and only been using it more so lately. Though do to being too big, I can't get too used to it, compared to the smaller tablets. And I don't really trace anything at all, really. Tried it once or twice, no good results.

Unless you mean the computer screens you can draw on. That looks like an easier thing to draw with digitally, though no doubt it's bloody expensive. You must be part of a comic or video game team to use one of them!
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UltraTheHedgetoaster Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2008  Hobbyist Artist
I guess for getting a computer screen to draw on, you must buy a new laptop -_-# [link] [link]

hm, I take it you can't get used to your tablet due to it's oversize being mapped on the computer screen (liek, to draw a line all over the screen you have to draw a line over the entire tablet first) -
what size you tablet, so I can buy a smaller one?

so I take it you'd say the tablet isn't much of an improvement for you? :(

how did you draw your stuff before? :?
it doesn't look mouse-drawn to me :O_o:
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Frobman Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2008   Filmographer
That's a fine laptop!

It's the size of an A4 paper, which is around 20 X 15 cm, I think. And it's trying to adjust it right that's a problem.

I use it for the Flash based stuff. Everything else is penciled and inked.
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DCLeadboot Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Should be possible to get a discount on it if your a student... yeah, I could recommend a Wacom! :)

And blimey... the graphics in that game! :O
Looks like the level of detail you'd expect in the FMV sequences, not the in-game stuff! Heh, still can't quite get over WereSonic's long arms, though... Rayman would never believe it! :XD:
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UltraTheHedgetoaster Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2008  Hobbyist Artist
yeah, weresonic's long arms are certainly something I need to spoof sometime. ;)

...and that's another reason I need a tablet, to draw more comics, faster.

Do you have a tablet yourself? :?
Uhm, the comment made by mizox quite confused me - okay, so not all tablets have screens I suppose (how does that work out - like, looking at the screen while moving the pencil, yes?)
And you don't have to trace your own stuff, do you?



...comming back on Weresonic's long arms needing spoofage;

I dunno, like, from all the arm streching, Sonic's arms go baggy... :XD:

or, Amy using his arms as a clothesline or something :XD:

yupp, the graphics on the Xbox360 version are pretty cool - those are "next generation consoles" ^^;
I'm not sure how much I bother with the graphics of the Wii version - it just is quite a difference between those two versions. :O
though I think the 2nd screenshot of the Wii version I linked may actually be scanned from a videogame-magazine
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DCLeadboot Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'd love to see more stuff from you, yeah! :D

Yup, I have a Wacom tablet. :)
I've had one for quite sometime - that's how I've been able to do those quick MSN doodles or some of precision work in my Adobe artwork.
But with a tablet... well, it doesn't have a screen, just a drawing surface. It will control your mouse-cursor on screen, so you'll have a rough idea where you'll be drawing. Takes a little getting used to, at first.

And those ideas for WereSonic's arms sound pretty funny! :giggle:
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