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The simple act of writing a comment, going through your inbox, and browsing somebody's gallery.
Basic, vital functions on deviantArt.
Basic, vital functions that are fundamentally broken in Eclipse.
"What are you passionate about?", dA's team asks.
. . .
I am passionate about having a sense of community, about being able to have interesting conversations on this site.
I am passionate about the conversations I've had with people in the past 13 years, which I revisit frequently.
I am passionate about being able to express myself creatively with my comments, aiming to be as non-generic as possible, even making little comics using PLZ-icons to entertain others.
I often go to page 20, page 30 in my inbox to see if maybe, I can think of a witty reply now.
On Eclipse, I can't even use basic HTML-formatting (<i> <b> <u> <hr>), use :iconPLZ: tags or even smilies without jumping through hoops that make it unfeasible. There isn't even a "preview" button, because there is simply no formatting at all.
On Eclipse, I can't write comments creatively.
It gets worse: I can't even look at the ~3600 conversations I've had with people in the past 13 years in my inbox, because "infinite scroll" has replaced the "page"-buttons.
"Infinite scrolling" has no place in an inbox, unless you're on mobile and just want to take a quick peek at your latest messages, and don't care about the rest. But I do.
"Infinite scrolling" is, why I never bother checking out an artist's twitter for their work, unless they barely have any tweets.
"Infinite scrolling" is, why I stopped checking my tumblr dashboard 3 years ago. You can't read comics from "newest to oldest", especially if you lose your place and have to scroll down several minutes every single time you visit just to find it again.
"Infinite scrolling" is nice for checking out someone's YouTube channel... unless they have 500+ videos, and you're somewhere in the middle and now you can't stop scrolling down or else you'll never find your place again.
"Infinite scrolling" works for news articles. You're not gonna start reading the New York Times from Issue #1, you're only interested in the latest.
It does not work if you want to read a comic in an art gallery from the start.
It does not work if an artist has 2000+ artworks and you're trying to get back to #1000 where you last left off.
It does not work if you want to go to "page 50" in your replies-inbox.
It does not work if you care about the 3600+ memorable comments or discussions you had with people in the last 13 years.
There are ways to make it work.
Don't get me wrong - I do browse galleries even on current dA using infinite scroll, BUT I also make frequent use of the offset-parameter.
In an inbox and on comment-pages however, infinite scroll really has no place outside from a mobile app.
At least give us back the offset-parameter! (E.g. "offset=200" or "page=20") [example 1a] [example 1b] [example 2]
DeviantArt's search will even update the URL-parameter on the fly as you scroll down, so you can restart your browser and return to exactly where you left among 10,000 search results. DeviantArt-search in Eclipse still has that! Now apply it everywhere else!
Without an offset-parameter, "Infinite scrolling" is like a book with no page numbers, and no bookmarks. Every time you come back, you have to start at the first page and try to figure out where you were.
"Infinite scroll" doesn't work if you care about anything more than just "the latest", unless you have shortcuts.
It doesn't work if you care about the conversations you've had with people on this site over the years.
I've spent 13 years on this site putting effort into my replies to people, to be creative, to entertain.
...I've already been "famous" before elsewhere. I know what it's like to get flooded with generic comments. "lol cool", "awesome XD", "omg cute kawai".
Still nice, but... 
1.6 million views on a Youtube video may not seem much today. But it was in 2007/2009.
"September 22nd '08: #98 - Top Rated (All Time) - Entertainment - Germany"
"February 8th '09: #96 - Top Rated (All Time) - Entertainment - Germany"
I know that it isn't about the numbers, it's about the community. And to stand out among a crowd in somebody else's inbox and really engage with them? You gotta be more creative than "omg lol".
I learned that, just as I got started on this site. I put effort into my comments. On the days I don't have the time to work on my art or my stories, I write deviantArt comments as a creative outlet.
I sometimes spend an hour or two just writing one comment on deviantArt that only one other person is likely to see. I make drafts for my comments, usually in a text file on my PC - sometimes I don't finish a comment the day I started writing it. This, too, is impossible with Eclipse, again since there is no formatting-syntax.
I see these comments as part of my art. Maybe not the type I'd put up in a museum for others to marvel at, but the type I'd put in a photo album to frequently revisit, and share parts of with others.
I started posting on Youtube around the same time I started posting on deviantArt, 13 years ago.
And even though I got far more attention on Youtube than I ever received on deviantArt, I feel more at home here.
Here, I have a sense of community. Sadly, I never quite got that on Youtube. In part that's my own shortcoming. But mainly? I blame Youtube's terrible comments- and inbox-system that's only gotten worse over the years and made interacting with people in any meaningful way a chore.
I judge other social media sites by how well they can reproduce deviantArt's inbox- and comments-functionality. DeviantArt shouldn't imitate other social media sites, they should be imitating deviantArt.
Not everything about the social media giants is "perfect". Don't imitate their mistakes.
On Eclipse, I can't even use basic HTML-formatting (<i> <b> <u> <hr>), use :iconPLZ: tags or even smilies without jumping through hoops that make it unfeasible. There isn't even a "preview" button, because there is simply no formatting at all.
Eclipse won't let me be creative. On a site for artists.
...That's far from it's only shortcoming.
How do I find the first page of a comic in a gallery with 1000+ artworks if I can't go to "&offset=900" anymore?
If I click on a comment-thread, why does it only use 50% of the available space and the entire thread past the ~5th post is awkwardly mushed?
Where are the journals on my user page? Like with comments, I no longer can use formatting in journals.
And so on. -_-
Many people are talking about leaving. I don't want to leave. DeviantArt has been my primary social media platform for 13 years!
But Eclipse is literally UNUSABLE.
What am I supposed to even do on this site then if I can't talk to people, look through my inbox, or even browse other people's galleries?!
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22.000+ people have already signed. We can do more.
Apologies if I don't respond anytime soon. I've been busy for the past 2 weeks backing up as much of deviantArt as I can (comments-threads, artworks, artwork-comments pages, etc), through both manual and automatized means, before it all goes to hell. -_-
Basic, vital functions on deviantArt.
Basic, vital functions that are fundamentally broken in Eclipse.
"What are you passionate about?", dA's team asks.
. . .
I am passionate about having a sense of community, about being able to have interesting conversations on this site.
I am passionate about the conversations I've had with people in the past 13 years, which I revisit frequently.
I am passionate about being able to express myself creatively with my comments, aiming to be as non-generic as possible, even making little comics using PLZ-icons to entertain others.
I often go to page 20, page 30 in my inbox to see if maybe, I can think of a witty reply now.
On Eclipse, I can't even use basic HTML-formatting (<i> <b> <u> <hr>), use :iconPLZ: tags or even smilies without jumping through hoops that make it unfeasible. There isn't even a "preview" button, because there is simply no formatting at all.
On Eclipse, I can't write comments creatively.
It gets worse: I can't even look at the ~3600 conversations I've had with people in the past 13 years in my inbox, because "infinite scroll" has replaced the "page"-buttons.
"Infinite scrolling" has no place in an inbox, unless you're on mobile and just want to take a quick peek at your latest messages, and don't care about the rest. But I do.
"Infinite scrolling" is, why I never bother checking out an artist's twitter for their work, unless they barely have any tweets.
"Infinite scrolling" is, why I stopped checking my tumblr dashboard 3 years ago. You can't read comics from "newest to oldest", especially if you lose your place and have to scroll down several minutes every single time you visit just to find it again.
"Infinite scrolling" is nice for checking out someone's YouTube channel... unless they have 500+ videos, and you're somewhere in the middle and now you can't stop scrolling down or else you'll never find your place again.
"Infinite scrolling" works for news articles. You're not gonna start reading the New York Times from Issue #1, you're only interested in the latest.
It does not work if you want to read a comic in an art gallery from the start.
It does not work if an artist has 2000+ artworks and you're trying to get back to #1000 where you last left off.
It does not work if you want to go to "page 50" in your replies-inbox.
It does not work if you care about the 3600+ memorable comments or discussions you had with people in the last 13 years.
There are ways to make it work.
Don't get me wrong - I do browse galleries even on current dA using infinite scroll, BUT I also make frequent use of the offset-parameter.
In an inbox and on comment-pages however, infinite scroll really has no place outside from a mobile app.
At least give us back the offset-parameter! (E.g. "offset=200" or "page=20") [example 1a] [example 1b] [example 2]
DeviantArt's search will even update the URL-parameter on the fly as you scroll down, so you can restart your browser and return to exactly where you left among 10,000 search results. DeviantArt-search in Eclipse still has that! Now apply it everywhere else!
Without an offset-parameter, "Infinite scrolling" is like a book with no page numbers, and no bookmarks. Every time you come back, you have to start at the first page and try to figure out where you were.
"Infinite scroll" doesn't work if you care about anything more than just "the latest", unless you have shortcuts.
It doesn't work if you care about the conversations you've had with people on this site over the years.
I've spent 13 years on this site putting effort into my replies to people, to be creative, to entertain.
...I've already been "famous" before elsewhere. I know what it's like to get flooded with generic comments. "lol cool", "awesome XD", "omg cute kawai".
Still nice, but... 1.6 million views on a Youtube video may not seem much today. But it was in 2007/2009.
"September 22nd '08: #98 - Top Rated (All Time) - Entertainment - Germany"
"February 8th '09: #96 - Top Rated (All Time) - Entertainment - Germany"
I know that it isn't about the numbers, it's about the community. And to stand out among a crowd in somebody else's inbox and really engage with them? You gotta be more creative than "omg lol".
I learned that, just as I got started on this site. I put effort into my comments. On the days I don't have the time to work on my art or my stories, I write deviantArt comments as a creative outlet.
I sometimes spend an hour or two just writing one comment on deviantArt that only one other person is likely to see. I make drafts for my comments, usually in a text file on my PC - sometimes I don't finish a comment the day I started writing it. This, too, is impossible with Eclipse, again since there is no formatting-syntax.
I see these comments as part of my art. Maybe not the type I'd put up in a museum for others to marvel at, but the type I'd put in a photo album to frequently revisit, and share parts of with others.
I started posting on Youtube around the same time I started posting on deviantArt, 13 years ago.
And even though I got far more attention on Youtube than I ever received on deviantArt, I feel more at home here.
Here, I have a sense of community. Sadly, I never quite got that on Youtube. In part that's my own shortcoming. But mainly? I blame Youtube's terrible comments- and inbox-system that's only gotten worse over the years and made interacting with people in any meaningful way a chore.
"Regular" deviantArt literally has the single best inbox / comments system I have seen anywhere on the entire internet in 20 years.
Eclipse does not.
I judge other social media sites by how well they can reproduce deviantArt's inbox- and comments-functionality. DeviantArt shouldn't imitate other social media sites, they should be imitating deviantArt.
Not everything about the social media giants is "perfect". Don't imitate their mistakes.
On Eclipse, I can't even use basic HTML-formatting (<i> <b> <u> <hr>), use :iconPLZ: tags or even smilies without jumping through hoops that make it unfeasible. There isn't even a "preview" button, because there is simply no formatting at all.
Eclipse won't let me be creative. On a site for artists.
...That's far from it's only shortcoming.
How do I find the first page of a comic in a gallery with 1000+ artworks if I can't go to "&offset=900" anymore?
If I click on a comment-thread, why does it only use 50% of the available space and the entire thread past the ~5th post is awkwardly mushed?
Where are the journals on my user page? Like with comments, I no longer can use formatting in journals.
And so on. -_-
Many people are talking about leaving. I don't want to leave. DeviantArt has been my primary social media platform for 13 years!
But Eclipse is literally UNUSABLE.
What am I supposed to even do on this site then if I can't talk to people, look through my inbox, or even browse other people's galleries?!
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SIGN THE PETITION TO STOP DEVIANTART ECLIPSE and SHOW THE STAFF WE DO NOT WANT AN UNFINISHED SITE FORCED ON US.
22.000+ people have already signed. We can do more.
THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN SUBMIT ECLIPSE-RELATED FEEDBACK.
Apologies if I don't respond anytime soon. I've been busy for the past 2 weeks backing up as much of deviantArt as I can (comments-threads, artworks, artwork-comments pages, etc), through both manual and automatized means, before it all goes to hell. -_-
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I remember it was back in either 2008 or 2012 when deviantArt first announced they were gonna start auto-deleting inbox contents older than one year, which they did to clean up the database regarding abandoned accounts. Initially, at the time, that included old comments as well.
And back then, they told everyone to make sure they'd moved everything important from their inbox they wanted to keep into those little FOLDERS you could make on the left side of your inbox, to keep it save.
Now deviantArt is going to delete those folders, exactly the place where you've put all your important stuff because they told you it'd be safe there.
There is a way to keep stuff from your folders even on deviantArt Eclipse, here's how: [official helpdesk link]
On Eclipse it'll show up in the "Saved" tab. Experiment with a single comment or deviation first if you're uncomfortable.
Tough luck for anyone who kept separate folders for different purposes, though.
...Yay, now the ~100 most important/funny/relevant conversations I've had with people in the last 13 years are mixed in with the other 3600+ comments-threads I also want to keep from the past 13 years. -_-
DeviantArt didn't exactly WARN people folders would get deleted. Kind of a big deal.
Oh, sure, they mentioned it in their "eclipse launches around May 20th" announcement.
But they didn't warn them.
...Food for thought, though: If comments and replies can be either in the "feed"-, "saved"-, or "removed"-tab on Eclipse... what does it mean if a comment isn't in the "saved" tab, but the "feed" tab? Does it get auto-deleted after a time now, too???
Cause if so, I'll have to put ALL comments and replies I receive in "saved". I decide when something gets removed. Not some algorithm.
22.000+ people have already signed. We can do more.
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Apologies if I don't respond anytime soon. I've been busy for the past 2 weeks backing up as much of deviantArt as I can (comments-threads, artworks, artwork-comments pages, etc), through both manual and automatized means, before it all goes to hell. -_-
And back then, they told everyone to make sure they'd moved everything important from their inbox they wanted to keep into those little FOLDERS you could make on the left side of your inbox, to keep it save.
Now deviantArt is going to delete those folders, exactly the place where you've put all your important stuff because they told you it'd be safe there.
There is a way to keep stuff from your folders even on deviantArt Eclipse, here's how: [official helpdesk link]
On Eclipse it'll show up in the "Saved" tab. Experiment with a single comment or deviation first if you're uncomfortable.
Tough luck for anyone who kept separate folders for different purposes, though.
...Yay, now the ~100 most important/funny/relevant conversations I've had with people in the last 13 years are mixed in with the other 3600+ comments-threads I also want to keep from the past 13 years. -_-
DeviantArt didn't exactly WARN people folders would get deleted. Kind of a big deal.
Oh, sure, they mentioned it in their "eclipse launches around May 20th" announcement.
But they didn't warn them.
...Food for thought, though: If comments and replies can be either in the "feed"-, "saved"-, or "removed"-tab on Eclipse... what does it mean if a comment isn't in the "saved" tab, but the "feed" tab? Does it get auto-deleted after a time now, too???
Cause if so, I'll have to put ALL comments and replies I receive in "saved". I decide when something gets removed. Not some algorithm.
SIGN THE PETITION TO STOP DEVIANTART ECLIPSE and SHOW THE STAFF WE DO NOT WANT AN UNFINISHED SITE FORCED ON US.
22.000+ people have already signed. We can do more.
THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN SUBMIT ECLIPSE-RELATED FEEDBACK.
art by
Apologies if I don't respond anytime soon. I've been busy for the past 2 weeks backing up as much of deviantArt as I can (comments-threads, artworks, artwork-comments pages, etc), through both manual and automatized means, before it all goes to hell. -_-
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Where do I go to yell at deviantArt?
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...I don't want Eclipse. I've been on this site for 13 years. I don't want this bull.
Keep the old design around. I don't care if it doesn't get any extra features that Eclipse does.
Just let me keep using the normal deviantArt. Not this Eclipse bullshit that's clearly inferior, because it doesn't have the ~20 years of work put into it the regular deviantArt has!
Just the user center alone is garbage. I don't want this.
Nobody wants this. You know people hate it. Please. Listen to your users, not some stupid "marketing trend analysis" bull. Your site is great as is!
You have literally the best comments- and inbox-system I've seen anywhere on the entire internet in 20 years! Other social media platforms should be copying you, not the other way around.
Seriously. I mean it. It's the best out there I've seen in 20 years. I judge other social media sites by how much of that functionality they can replicate!
I don't care if Eclipse "is around", as long as you don't force me to use it.
You'll commit social media suicide if you force this change on your users, because a good chunk of your users will leave.
Where do I go to yell and complain?
#wedontwanteclipse
#eclipsesucks
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Best free Antivirus? Help? -_-#
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...I need a different Antivirus. What free Antivirus are you guys using, and does it do its job?
.I've been using Avira Free Antivirus for a decade and a half, and everything was fine.
(Well, except when it crashed and you had to restart the entire PC to fix that, or whenever it demanded a restart and would remind you with a popup every 4 hours, and let's hope you better aren't hitting the Enter key while typing when that popup comes out of nowhere.)
But now it keeps throwing important programs, backup-archives, and program installers into quarantine under the false assumption "this file looks suspicious". No. They aren't. Stop removing my files, Avira!
I keep telling it to exclude these files from its search, it ignores me. Then it turned out there's a laughably small max limit to how many files can be in the "exclusion list", and even those that are in it still get removed. I have serious other problems right now and no time for this crap.
To top it all off, Avira is basically holding my files in its quarantine hostage. I can't tell what's a virus and what's a genuine file, because Avira won't even let me see the filenames properly - all because the window size is too small to read the list! "C:/User/ul...ing.exe" is basically all I can see! AAARGH!
I even got a bunch of tools to hack the window size into fullscreen but that just ended up with one tiny window in a corner and the rest of the screen going black. -____-##
I've had enough of Avira. I need a different free Antivirus.
What are you guys using, and does it do its job?
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Aegann's ART raffle!
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is hosting an art raffle for a chance to win free art! <da:thumb id="806173591"/>
Count me in.
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